TALK ClareHenderson(CH) with Ian Mcculloch(IM)

CH is a staffer at the Lottery Heritage Fund

MADE 20070301 16:17 duration 13min total

TWO EXTRACTS

EXTRACT 1 after 10m20s

THEME (CH shows resistance )

IM	no im not talking about responding to me, 
	im talking about your relationship with the 
	grantees with regard to public interest, im 
	just assuming that, ive rung, youve been 
	very willing to discuss it, but not in fact, not 
	willing to discuss it with the grantees. Thats 
	what it seems to me, and i just wonder if 
	you could say that thats the case or its not
	the case
CH	OK, please, please put them in writing and
	then we'll [answer] for you.
IM	no, then i'll take that as a 'no', shall i
CH	what, no, no, its not a question of yes or 
	no. its a question-, a point-, that, er, that, 
	erm
IM	i mean you must be, you're pretty familiar
	with the case, i mean ive only really 
	spoken it about it with you so you must 
	know 'yes' or 'no'. if you want to persist 
	i'll just have to-
CH	OK, will you please hold the line please

CH	as i said to you previously its ...

EXTRACT 2 from 12m19sec

THEME (CH had spoke to Arcadia feb12 on WPPs behalf)

IM	so your not answering my question then, 
	is that right
CH	well thats what your question is, its all 
	relating to-
IM	no im saying whether you did actually 
	contact your grantees with regard to the 
	public interest which appeared to be 
	neglected because of the ommission of 
	the petition
CH	well i say we were happy with the level 
	of the consultation they had carried out
IM	with the ommissions of petitions, they 
	[HLF] were quite happy with that ?
CH	thats something youll need to take up
	with them[Arcadia], its their responsibility 
	for the relations with the public
IM	well they dont respond very well-
CH	then you need, then you need to talk to 
	them
IM	-thats why were talking to you
CH	its for you and the applicant to discuss 
	their consultation document and if their
	ommissions and non-ommissions of their 
	data they've put in there, they, you, you, 
	i've explained 
IM	i just have to go back-
CH	-we did go back to them with your 
	questions and their answer from them
	was that your comments were included
	in, within the, within the consultation
	document as a whole. So we did talk
	to them and i did come back and say
	to that to you
IM	even though it wasnt actually mentioned
CH	well thats the answer we got back, that
	the overall comments [spare] of the 
	consultation documents were included 
	in the overall content of the consultation
IM	i see
CH	so we did, we did speak to them on your
	behalf
IM	very good
CH	ok, and that you know, i think it was on
	the monday morning when i came back
	to you about the consultation
IM	i dont remember you saying it quite as
	clearly as that before
CH	ehm
IM	well thank you very much Clare
CH	ok then bye bye
IM	goodbye

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